OTWO, I agree, I am Mexican and can confirm your statement. It seems that we are more attached to the belief in supernatural forces that are healing us, savings us from accidents and disease, even killing us to be used as angels. That's why when we switch religions we preserve the strong faith and commitment to those supernatural forces. I can also tell you that here in California, there are lots of Latinos wearing their Sunday's best on a Sunday or a Saturday. If I kept record, I think JW's spend only about 5% or less of the preaching time conversing with a potential convert. The other 95% is spent marching, standing and displaying a magazine quietly, or talking among themselves
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My August Update
by OnTheWayOut ini don't really have a purpose in this thread, but wanted to share my thoughts and updates.. fading has, at least for now, totally stabilized.
my jw wife doesn't discuss jw things and, as difficult for me as it is, i haven't been discussing anything directly against jw policy.
oh, i slip in comments when she tries to judge people or groups based on her jw training- things like gay marriage, medical marijuana, pedophile news stories.
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Asking for money...AGAIN
by raymond frantz ini live in the uk ,a letter was read as local announcements on thursday about the relocation of london bethel and the need to donate (yes they are blatantly asking the flock )..more money .considering the fact the london bethel is located in one of the most expensive areas of london ,the sale of of these buildings will bring in hundrends of millions of pounds in revenue.there is no need asking for more money .as one poster posted here 11 years ago on the same project that nows seems to be going ahead the conservative estimates are that they will get approx 193.5m for the site (inc bittacy hill) and the new greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that 35m.
whip up the building committes and up it goes foc (materials are estimated @ 9.23m).that was an estimate 11 years ago..so my question is did you had this letter read in your local announcements recently?
i see a pattern emerging also the sale and relocation of bethel houses build in prime land that are worth alot of money to less expensive areas and the generation of million of pounds in income .so not only makinf money off local refurfrfbrisment projects but milking it off bethel homes sale.
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The highly profitable money schemes makes me wonder if we will ever topple this cult. Even with a potentially reduced number of followers and some lawsuits for child molestation, they look in very good economical shape and have a business model that will endure for many decades to come.
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the bizarre things religious people say and believe
by Hortensia ini sat in the community garden tonight and talked with one of my neighbors, an old lady in an electric wheelchair.
she was telling me she won't be able to garden next year, it's getting to hard for her since her stroke.
so we talked about her stroke.
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Cofty,
Quite easy, theism is accepted by billions, from the most powerful, such as presidents, to the poorest and weakest. Superstition is rejected by most of those billions. And yet they are the same thing. It's semantics.
This thread reminded of my Mom, a catholic who firmly believes that God saved her from an aggressive multiple myeloma. She is still alive and well after the first diagnosis 13 years ago. About a year ago, my sister's in law's mother, a JW, died of breast cancer after only a year of being diagnosed. Plenty of prayers were issued by multiple people in both cases. Should we surmise that God listens to Catholic's prayers and not the JW's? Should we ignore that my mom's diagnose was more timely, her medical care far better --and expensive-- and her oncologist one of the best in the area. I suppose those things don't matter to religious people. It didn't seem to be a major factor according to my Mom.
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What Is The "Typical" Elder In The Organization Like Now?
by minimus inwhen i was an elder, most of the elders were pretty independent 40 to 80 year olds.
they had no issue speaking up to the circuit overseer.
i wonder what the average elder is like now.
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More an more I see born-ins (between 30 and 50). The ones who got in the cult as adults (usually over 50 now) are leaving the religion or this world.
I think the WT is in trouble, because many born-ins are internet savvy. It's only a matter of time. 3 decades, give or take
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Board of bitterness
by 1009 ini always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.
but still this religion fascinates me.
in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.
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So many things wrong with your premise. If I can summarize it "Why be bitter, what's the big deal?"
I only got few minutes, so I will deal with the car crashes.
Car crashes for the most part are accidents. The blood policy is not an accident. Retaining the blood policy also seems to be motivated by the fear of law suits (money) and not by principle (try to support blood fraction using the Bible)
All the unnecessary human innocent lives lost to the blood policy are a big deal and completely justify being bitter, even guys like me who have never been a JW.
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Misapplication of Matt. 25:40 in Watchtower Study on Sunday
by The Searcher insheep & goats.
jesus said, "truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".. exactly to whom was jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?.
the subject matter of matthew chapter 25 deals with christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.
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Terry,
Thank you. I was trying to figure out what the heck everyone was talking about until you offered the timely rescue. Thank you. Why waste time on something a mortal who believed himself to be the Messiah, said 2,000 years ago. He never kept his promise anyway, to come before his generation ended.
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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...
by confusedandalone injust one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
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Seraphim, So he performs miracles, according to the Bible's multiple miracles, but now you are saying he can not violate his natural laws in a temporary basis, to save 250,000 people. Which is it? Does he or does he not have the capacity to violate his own natural laws in a temporary basis? Typical believer nonsense: "I know how God works. The way I say so"
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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...
by confusedandalone injust one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
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Perry,
Bible contradictions. Read 2 Samuel 24:1-16. Comapare to 1 Chronicles 21:1-16. Find three contradiction (some Bibles may have corrected one of the contradictions, but offer a footnote). One of them is huge. Also tells me where is the justice and love of God there. Quite the opposite, no love, no justice.
I don't get how people can believe and like God as described by the Bible.
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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...
by confusedandalone injust one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
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Perry,
If God owes us nothing, then I owe nothing to my children.
The moment I learned of the conception of both of my children I knew I had the biggest reponsibility and that as good a parent as I could be, they will owe me nothing. It is my obligation to care for them, I am doing no favor to them. Similarly, if God puts us here on Earth, then he owes at least a very basic care. Just tell us that you exist and the nature of our relationship with Him. I like the God of Einstein and Spinoza, a God of the natural order of the Universe who never interferes for good or ill in human affairs. That's the only way my life has any meaning.
A god that saves a person in a hospital (my dear one for whom I prayed) while millions of innocents die in wars, of famine, or by natural disaster makes no sense. It's plain stupid. Especially considering that years later I will pray for that same person and my prayer won't work. WTF. My prayers are supossed to get better with experience and yet seems to be quite the opposite. Is it possible that the natural order works (aging and decay) and that this idea of a God intervening in human affairs is just an invention by the superstitious, weak or self-righteous. The evidence indicates so.
If we replaced all the praying time for hours of study in the medical field we would be more effective in saving lives. Centuries ago people pray a lot more than they pray today and yet life expectancy has gone up. Isn't that evidence that the idea of God only serves as a psycological boost to the sick, but it is a waste of time when performed by others for the "benefit" of the sick person.
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How can I stop hating the JW religion?
by marriedtoajw inhaving this spiritual division between my wife and i over the years has been very draining in many ways.
so much so that i find myself more and more hating everything having to do with the wtbts especially when i just see watchtower literature.
i've kind of always felt that way but it's getting worst.
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married to JW,
I am exactly in the same position as you are. I am celebrating my 19 anniversary tomorrow. Life was OK until I found TTATT. Then, things went down hill. Now my main objective is to prepare my children for getting out of the cult as soon as possible. Not easy, those bastards of the FDS ensalve their minds really well. It's unbelievable but the cultic control does happen. I don't think I can be of much help to you because I am as enraged and sometime out of control as you are. The only good from this so far is that I am resolved to get as many people out as it is possible, or prevent some from getting in. So far no tangible results, but I am planting seeds of doubt everywhere.